Resilient by Design: A Navy SEAL-Turned-Doctor’s Roadmap to Success | Shane Kronstedt MD

Shane Kronstedt: 00:00

Thing, it's pretty dangerous. A lot of people were dying in the war. So, you know, it was no small feat to say, I'm gonna go join the most dangerous job and go into a profession where a lot of people are dying.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 00:13

Dr Shane Kronstadt, welcome to the show. You really have

Shane Kronstedt: 00:18

to have a lot of self discipline and comfortableness in your own skin, because you tell your friends that, they say, Oh, absolutely not. No one makes it. Don't do it. Your parents are saying, oh, gosh, that's so dangerous. No one believes in you. You're the only person that believes in yourself. You have to break things up in your head. You can't think about how overwhelming everything is. That's when you don't make it through those hard moments in life or in whatever you're trying to accomplish, you have to really just take it moment to moment.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 00:55

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Shane Kronstedt: 02:02

Thanks for having me.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 02:03

You had a beautiful tour of the podcast studio. You've never been here before. How did you like it? I was a little let down. No one welcomed me up the door. I was expecting sparkling water. Greetings, full tour, and instead, you got a can of sardines. And said, welcome. Here's lunch. Yeah, I wanted to have you on the podcast. You are my husband. I'm so lucky, the father of our two absolutely bananas children. And you are physician, a former Navy SEAL and aurology for those of you who don't know, though, that is all things related to

Shane Kronstedt: 02:50

kidney splatter, testosterone, men's health, reproductive organs.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 02:55

As a second year surgical resident, you graduated top of your medical school class and have authored over 40 publications, 5050, publications. Still can't find your socks, but I wanted to have you on the show, because I talk about you all the time and part of people forward facing, for example, myself, who spent time and effort educating the world. I don't do by myself. I have a teammate, and I mean, to be fair, I have many teammates, but none of them like you. So we want to hear about you, no pressure, but I want to start with you've done a lot of extraordinary things. And I want to hear a little bit about your background and how you got to the SEAL teams.

Shane Kronstedt: 03:47

Sure. Yeah. So I grew up in Virginia, near DC, and single parent household for part of it. And when I was around 2021, years old, you know, after high school, I worked for a couple years to help out. I decided to join the seals. Were you a good student? I was not a good student. I was

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 04:04

terrible. When we say, when you say terrible, are you talking about D minus or what

Shane Kronstedt: 04:08

I mean? I did well, when I showed up, attendance was a problem. You were somewhat of a delinquent. Is that true? Somewhat an understatement? Yeah. Yeah. So I, I applied to enlist in the seals in 2008 and at the time, I think I was just a little tired of seeing death to America by Iran and North Korea mouthing off all the time. And I said, What can I do that's the most high value thing that can deliver me to places like this to move the needle, and they want to just do something regular and not move the needle. So I said, seals are at actually originally joined the Navy and I had this nuclear engineering job, and then they told me I had to pick so I picked the seals, and then in 2008 you could apply to go straight to the seals. Typically you would have to go in, get a job and then try out later. But they had this new pipeline. So what you. Would do, they'd have this. You would test out academically, and then you do a physical fitness test, you compete nationally to try to get a contract. And so I trained for that, you know, took a little bit of adjustments, fine tuning, got a contract, and then 2009 is when I shipped out to go do it.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 05:17

You trained with DOT, with doctor now, doctor, actually PhD, Dr Mark Devine, who's a former commander seal, but you skipped through the whole part about how you did martial arts, and you really fine tuned your skills. You were always pretty tough. You skipped over that and and by the way, you saw that be someone special video. This is why it's so great to be interviewed by your wife, because I technically have wife clearance, and know all of these things. Get away with nothing and nothing, absolutely nothing, that takes an unusual individual to be a really poor student, to be somewhat of a delinquent. But you were always very disciplined when it came to martial arts and things that were physical. You saw 911 happen, and you decided that you need to go serve your country and do something about it.

Shane Kronstedt: 06:11

Yeah. I mean, I actually told myself in high school, never joined the military. I said, I'm not going over. That's okay. I said I would never seal either. He said, You never talk to me, right? We'll get into that later. Yeah. I mean, when I grew up, I, you know, for a part of my life, I didn't grow up with my dad. Don't really know him. I grew up with who I consider my dad when I was from when I was eight years old. So, you know, I was fortunate. I had a lot of good male role models in my life. And I grew up, probably since the age of four, doing martial arts. I did that up until the level of black belt, and I played football, went to the National Championships, and then I dropped out of football sometime in high school after playing a couple years to pursue martial arts full time to finish up. Then I switched from that to mix martial arts, Muay Thai, started Brazilian jujitsu. That was around the time I went to the military, and I didn't want to take any risks to get injured, so I stopped doing that, and kind of picked it up intermittently throughout my life. But, you know, I was pretty fortunate to have a lot of male role models, and I think that instilled a lot of values in me. I think martial arts instilled a lot of discipline and values at an early age, which I found very valuable. And I think I was really fortunate to spend my whole 20s in the seals where I had a lot of great role models I learned from a lot of great men who were leaders, who had a lot of years and lessons learned overseas, and just, you know, very strong role models that I really got to spend those formidable years in my 20s, with which I think really gave me a lot of value in my life and made me help, help make me into who I am in some ways. Were

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 07:42

there things growing up that were hard? You know, you and I are raising two little children. We have a four year old and a five year old. But it's not as if those things are easy, and it's not when we think about parenting discipline, integrity, respect. Are real things when you were growing up without a dad for a long period of time, and also not necessarily a clear direction other than martial arts. Were there things, or was there a moment where you really thought, Okay, I am going to enlist.

Shane Kronstedt: 08:26

I mean, the real Hollywood true story is I was probably, you know, 1920 wasn't really doing anything. I was motivated to do something, and I couldn't really quite find it, and I was looking for it, and I kept looking, I think eventually I saw a few guys on leave come home from the military, and started to spark my interest. I was interested going to school, but I think it wasn't really the right time for me yet, and I think that I start to dig more into it. My grandfather was in the Navy. He passed away before I was alive, but kind of had always been in the back of my mind. And I think that, you know, I went to a recruiter one day to get more information. And, you know, I kind of toyed around with it for a while, and it seemed like a good fit. I was looking for something more physically active, something more hands on, something that would make a difference. And it seemed like it had all the moving parts. You know, back in 2008 you didn't really know much about it. Couldn't really get a lot of you mean, yeah, I mean, you really kind of had to infer, make a lot of inferences about what it is, what you might be doing. It's pretty dangerous. A lot of people are dying in the war. So, you know, it was no small feat to say, I'm gonna go join the most dangerous job and go into a you know, profession where a lot of people are dying. Did you think about that a lot, or really is on my mind young

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 09:47

20 and wanted to bang your chest and get a lot of girls and say, Who? And say, Who? Ya a

Shane Kronstedt: 09:55

lot that came later.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 09:58

Mark, we love you. Mark Devon. And, yeah, these are big I think that people do not recognize what the real job of ACL operator is, or a tier one operator, yeah.

Shane Kronstedt: 10:10

I mean, I think there's a lot of glorification about the military. I think it's a great career. I loved all of it. I would do it all over again. I loved everyone I worked with, mostly. And it could be a tough room to work in with 20 alpha males in a room trying to be number one. But, you know, I think that, you know, it's a dangerous job. You love it, but you know, at the same time you're signing up to do something that's really, you know, I mean, the truth is, you you do. It's called sea, air and land, right? That's how you infill into a target, through the sea, through the air, through the land, sky diving, diving on foot. But really, what's the ultimate goal? The ultimate goal is to capture or kill probably the baddest guys on the planet. So you really, it's a job surrounded by around, killing people and taking out the garbage of, you know, the world's most dangerous, terrible people. And you mean these guys are doing terrible things, killing innocent people, doing unspeakable things. You know, I really don't love to talk about and so it's not that I think people kind of glorify things, but there's a lot of things that aren't glorious. Would

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 11:17

you allow your son, our son, Leonidas, Michael, named after the king of the Spartans, joined the SEAL teams.

Shane Kronstedt: 11:28

I mean, I think so. I'm not sure we'd have to talk about

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 11:34

it was there a moment that you and what I'm trying to illuminate here for people is how you think about things. I am very fortunate to interface with some of the most extraordinary people in the world. Yeah, and I think that out of all of them, you are one of the most extraordinary and uncommon among the uncommon individual. Thanks. No charge. When you were going through training, was there a moment that you felt that you were not going to succeed?

Shane Kronstedt: 12:08

Okay, so if you'll let me ramble on for a little while. How long is that going to be? I know she warned me, I can't do this, but we're going to do it. So, you know, you show up, right? You go to boot camp, and we were in this specialized boot camp. Okay, you work out twice a day, and there's probably about 500 people trying to go to SEAL training at the time. And so we get through that, everyone thinks, you know, well, let me back up. You tell people you want to go to SEAL training, you really have to have a lot of self discipline and comfortableness in your own skin. Because you tell your friends and they say, Oh, absolutely not. No one makes it. Don't do it. There's no chance No one makes it. Why would you do that? Your parents are saying, oh, gosh, that's so dangerous. No one believes in you. You're the only person that believes in yourself, and so you basically have to be very comfortable with believing in yourself, against everyone not believing in you. And how does that work? And you probably have a few people who might be willing to help you out, but they still probably deep down, like, all right, well, don't let this guy's feelings get hurt. I talked to people later and like, oh God. He said he wanted to be a seal. I was worried about that. Is he not going to make it? You know, things like that. I think some of my really close friends knew that if I wanted to do something, I would do it. And I guess that's how I was, even from a long time ago, if I didn't recognize it, some of my friends did, but you show up to boot camp, right? We go there. You're doing your two a days. Everyone's in a special, special operations performance part. Then they have this new push to get more seals during the war, but they didn't want to change standards, so they opened up this course called pre buds, where you would work out twice a day. They'd have these Olympic coaches. They'd have you swim, you'd swim two miles a day. You'd go on running trips with Olympic running coaches, do all these workouts, weightlifting, calisthenics. And so they were probably around 500 people. And at the end of two months of boot camp, two months of this pre buds course, they said we're going to take the top, I think, 350 or 250 guys with performance. So they did. So then we went to SEAL training in Coronado in December. And then when we got there, you know, they basically just beat us for free until Christmas and let people go home and come back, because we couldn't really class up yet. And so then we started this course, and they said, Okay, we're gonna take the top 100 and I think a 60 878, performers. So you can't really just show up. So they took the top 168 performers of our run scores, o course, swims, whatever else they were judging us on. They thought we were tough, I don't know. So then we started, and you know, I think by the you know, you meet these guys along the way, and there's a lot of people that are jerks, and, you know, they're rude to everybody, like, we're not going to make friends with you because we don't know who's going to be here, and it's probably not going to be you. You know, you mean the instructors, not just other guys in training. You know, lot of guys. Guys with a lot of hubris. You see all these guys, they're amazing. You know this one friend, I thought it's phenomenal, ran Boston in less than three hours. He was a stud. His friends were seals. He was jacked. He was ripped, mentally tough. This other guy I knew, did he make it? I'll get there. This other guy knew he could do 100 dead hang, pull ups. No problem. Tough, right? All these guys, you know, tough guys. And then you know, you go through SEAL training, you meet some guys, and we get through probably to week four after four weeks in doc and four weeks our first phase. And we start Hell Week with, you know, the 168 down to 110 168

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 15:39

individuals out of the top 500 and now four weeks in four weeks in your 110 you're entering into Hell Week, which is what

Shane Kronstedt: 15:49

so it's six days of continuous training with an hour and a half nap on day three and day four, no

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 15:55

sleep, no sleep until day three or four, and that sleep is an hour and a

Shane Kronstedt: 16:01

Half. And I think it's worse to go to sleep, because you have to wake up from it sounds like having a newborn. Yeah, yeah, kind of right, you know, these guys, you know, I remember talking to a friend of mine. We were close. He was a corpsman. He was in the Navy already. He was a medic, and he was trying out for seals. Everybody kind of says, Well, what's your backup plan? You know? And I think you can't have a backup plan when you have goals or something you really want to do, it's the plan A, only right? I think when you have the plan B, you're planning to fail. You're okay with Plan A, not working out. You make contingency plans. You've kind of set yourself up for something else to happen. And I think that's a mistake people make all the time. I think you really have to, this is Plan A this is what I have to do. It's against all odds, but this is how I'm going to do it. And you really have to be really strategic about all these things. And I think that, you know, we started Hell Week. All these guys were the first guys to wash out, the guys who I thought were tough. And you get to the end of it, you know, and you see these guys, six days in, you know, my friend and my boat team finished with a broken hip, you know, I got in trouble. So I was getting beat all the time. You

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 17:12

don't say we mouthing off,

Shane Kronstedt: 17:15

you know, I try to wear one of those Nike white performance T shirts. You know, it's with these guys. They're 14 of us, some officers, some guys got rolled back. And these guys who knew what was going on, they're like, Oh yeah, you know, you keep your top button, button up. No one will know. Let's all wear these, you know, Nike performance shirts so we don't get our nipples chafing and bleeding like everybody else. So we did it. They all got injured or rolled out or quit. And I was the last one. I got caught. And so then instead, anytime there's a break, I just get beat all the time, and I may or may not have got water boarded officially, no for the record, and by some psychopath. Anyways, yeah, it was great. So yeah, I mean, you have, like, guys like this, you know, finished with a broken hip, right? I mean, these guys are ready to go and how we would look at it, I think with a lot of goals, right? They can be overwhelming. You can look at something and say, this is impossible, that looks impossible, right? And I think that probably a lot of people who are just doing it for their self, you know, for themselves, for the wrong reasons, they probably are the first ones to leave.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 18:19

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Shane Kronstedt: 19:49

one's a dropout, but I think you have to do things for the right reasons, and I think a lot of us did it for reasons other than ourself, because your motivation goes out the window quick. And people experience this in life. Life in a business. And when times get tough, you know, your motivation is gone. I mean, you have to say, why are you doing this? You have to have a reason. You get up to do it every day. And I think that that probably carried us through a lot, carried me through a lot, when I was going through some really tough, dark moments in my head. And I think everybody thinks about it, you know, but not everybody pulls the trigger on just walking out because you want to do it. It's like, residency, right? Hell Week. You know, it's, it's not the job, it's training for the job. Okay, so that, again, it's not the job, it's training for the job. You know, residency is tough. There's lots of things that suck in residency, but, you know, there's a lot of things you're doing that you're learning, getting trained, that are valuable, and it's to set yourself up to be successful in the job later.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 20:46

And so someone listening to this thinking about the thing that they're doing when it really sucks, one could recognize that it's a very fleeting moment the suck and the suck might last for a year, two years, but you're training and doing it for something bigger. If you could just hang in there and see it through and not let the internal voices. Or even better yet, and this is something that I've noticed about you very neutral. There's not a lot of drama with anything that's going right or going wrong. There's not a lot of deep emotion attached to those things.

Shane Kronstedt: 21:37

Yeah, and I think that, you know, it's important to keep in mind a few things. I mean, you have to break things up in your head. You can't think about how overwhelming everything is. That's when you don't make it through those hard moments in life or in whatever you're trying to accomplish, you have to really just take it moment to moment, evolution to evolution. We would say, to get through Hell Week, we would go meal to meal, we'd get four meals a day. We just try to make it to the next meal. We're just trying to make it through that single evolution. And if you just make it through that moment to the next moment, to the next moment, eventually you're done, you know. And I think I have a lot of friends who are phenomenal people, and they still are, but that one moment of weakness, and I love the saying, it's true and it's unfortunate, but it's one moment of weakness for a lifetime of regret. And I think that's people with cheating, people with quitting on themselves, people have that one moment of weakness and they make their own decision. And I think that you know you really have to be careful with that, and I think you can prepare yourself for those moments. And some people, you know, they don't make it through those moments, but, you know, I think that people look back and have a lot of grit, and then they try to fill that void for years. I have a lot of friends who try to fill that void for years, and they don't really have to. They're wonderful, amazing people, but it really eats them up that that happened to them. And I think that one moment of weakness can change the whole trajectory of your whole life in

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 23:03

the moments where it's really dark. I just want you to share this, because there's a lot of humans are complex, and we think a lot about a lot of things, and when things are really hard, I'll turn to you, and I'll ask you for your advice, and I already know what your advice is going to be. I would love for you to share when things are getting really tough, or maybe someone shared it with you as to how to make it through those hard times.

Shane Kronstedt: 23:40

Hmm. Well, I think so I learned this better than anybody. I mean, I don't think SEAL training was easy for me. I think it's very hard, but I loved it, right? And I think at the same time, you know, you can just feel sorry for yourself. Remember, this guy walked up to me, said, stop feeling sorry for yourself. And it just, it flipped the switch in my head, and I realized I was feeling sorry for myself. And I mean this, you know, this might be, not be the best answer, but I was gonna ship out to boot camp and have my seal mentor. And I said, Hey, do you have any advice for me? He said, Yeah. I said, Okay. He said, Don't be a pussy. I said, What bullshit advice? That's terrible. It's the most worthless advice I ever had. And then, you know, in moments of life, I've been SEAL training and other things, and I think to myself, I'm feeling sorry for myself. I'm like, am I being a pussy right now? Like, I am, holy shit, I was, you know what? I'm not gonna be a fuck. I'm gonna get my shit together. I'm gonna fucking crush this evolution. I'm gonna kill this. But, you know, I think it was never easy for me. I failed a lot, right? And I made it through all the way through training. There were only 10 of us who, 10 to 12 of us who made it all the way through without getting held back for injury, for performance, because you'll often get a second chance to redo a test, and then you're out. You know, I always found a very. Hard because, you know, there were a lot of tests I failed for the first time. And, you know, I joined the seals. I didn't shot a gun before. I didn't do land navigation and do all these things. You know, I swam, but, you know, I wasn't a pro swimmer or collegiate swimmer, and so I would be up against the wall a lot of times, and I would say, All right, I mean, it draws a lot of anxiety, right? You fail something. You know, in medical school. We had our baby two weeks in, and then I failed the first test, and I decided to take it right away instead of pushing it back. That was stupid. And then I had to make up for it, right? And my back's up against the wall your whole life is hanging in this moment that you have to perform in in a day or two weeks, and it can cause a lot of anxiety and stress. And I think everyone goes through that in some capacity, in something they're doing. And I think that you really have to do different things. You have to be very resourceful. You have to put your ego aside and ask other people who are doing well and doing this better than you, even though you don't like to admit it, and say, Hey, give me some advice. What are you doing that I can implement now? And let me do that. And it's hard to have these habits that you've had for a long time and just throw them out the window immediately, but you have to do it, and you have to say, what can I do between now and tomorrow to make a difference? And I think that I asked other people. I sat there and I practiced, and I practice and I practice hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times by the next day, and I went in and I performed, and I think I had this solid moment. I remember that really changed the way I look at things. And I remember I did this land navigation course, very challenging. For some reason, the Green Berets think we only use GPSs and your wife, but actually we have a very hard compass course. And, you know, sidebar. They told me one time. They said, Well, what are you going to do when your GPS fails? I said, Well, I'll pull out my second GPS, obviously. Well, we have this very challenging compass course, and you would have to go through this brush in the mountains of California. It'd be able to read maps. You had to count your 100 meter pace, foot by foot steps using pacing beads. And every single turn had to be precise, and you had to carry all this water and weight, and they had to hit all the points. I think you had to hit at least three out of five targets, or five out of seven. I think it was three out of five, and then make this this comms window. Okay, so I did it. I hit my three out of five targets, and then I had to sprint about a mile and a half to get there on time. I was so exhausted and to sit down for a minute because all this weight, I was sprinting for a mile and a half. I took a minute and I called, but I called late. Even though I had been on the target on time, I called late. Wait, what is called late? Mean, I made my comms to the people that were, I don't know, checking in with us to say, Hey, I finished the course. I hit my targets, boom, By four o'clock, whatever the time was. I called it 405, something like that, because I was smoked. I need a second lied to go to this review board because they said you failed the test. I said, Well, no, I hit all my targets, and I was there on time. You can ask my buddies. And they said, Well, you didn't call on time. I said, Okay. And they looked at me. They said, Navy SEALs are the best combat divers in the world. They said, Do you think we should change our standards for you, or you should rise to the occasion? I think that hit me in that moment, and I said, You know what, you're fucking right? And so I went out there. I got my shit together. I course corrected. What can I do better by tomorrow? I went out there, I fine tuned myself. I made much more precise movements. I was really much more on top of it. I dialed everything in, didn't lollygag along the way, did everything I need to do, and the next day, I hit five out of five targets, and I called them an hour early. And that's a mindset you have to have. I think that, yeah, I'll leave it at

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 28:47

that. And to wrap that up, also never break rule number one.

Shane Kronstedt: 28:55

But yes, but you know, I think that it's, it's the adversity and the challenges and failures in life that makes you better. And I think that failure is not always bad. It sucks in the moment, but I can't tell you how many times I've failed something, and because I failed it, it made me better, because I had to improve in that area, and I became better in that area than I would have previously. And I met a lot of guys SEALs who, you know, it's easy for them. You know, they get through the whole thing with no problem. They crush everything. They're studs, but the first time they hit adversity or a challenge, they didn't know how to react and people in life, you know, when you hit adversity or a challenge or failure for the first time, people can't respond to it. But because I feel like I've had so much adversity and I've had my back up against the wall, I've learned to adapt and how to overcome challenges, and I know how to handle them, and I know how to attack them, and I think that when I meet challenges, I know how to deal with them, and so I'm much well more equipped, probably an average person. And I think, you know, I hear this BS a lot where, you know, I have something that's hard, and I do it, and people say. Say, Oh, well, you're a seal, of course, you know, that's easy for you. And I kind of call bullshit on that, because I think that it's not because I'm a CEO or because someone is whatever title they are, in my opinion, and we disagree on this, those are just a marker, right? That's a marker or a metric. I think that you're a seal, not because you're a stud or whatever you are, it's because I have these habits. I put in hard work, I'm disciplined, I'm willing to work hard, I'm not willing to quit, and I'm willing to do all these things, and all these things individually add up to become that person. And it's not be the person that has all these skills all of a sudden. It's all these skills and attributes and discipline every single day, every morning, at 3am every moment in those hard moments that add up to make you that person. And that's what makes someone great. It's not just this nominal title, it's the person putting in the work. And I think that anyone can put in those efforts and work in their domain in life if they choose to, but they have to make that choice, and they have to do it. And that is where the difference maker is underlying for a lot of people in success.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 31:12

And you mentioned that you and I believe a little differently on this, and that's true. And where I think that we don't see eye to eye is I believe, from my experience. So people might not know this, but I've spent 10 years taking care of tier one operators, and to this day, I sit on the CEO Future Foundation Medical Board, and I take care of your brothers. Luckily, I don't take care of you. We have Dr Lisa to do that, but, and here's what I've seen over time, a good physician recognizes patterns of disease, but an effective physician recognizes patterns of people, and I would say that there is a genetic component to allow someone to become a seal or a tier one operator. And what do I mean by this? And again, I can be wrong, but I was interviewing Matt. What was her name? Who did we have on the Ranger? Yeah, not Lisa Jaster, who is also amazing. But we had another neuroscientist on Allison tab. So yes, Allison brager, actually. And what she said is, when they looked at the gene profile of arrangers, they all had a genetic mutation that allowed them to sleep four hours a night. And Jacob definitely has this mutation, and you do too that they could get up and perform, and that they were able to perform no matter what, and that their body required four hours of sleep. I do believe that there are certain genetic components that allow people to be able to navigate austere environments, whether at war or not, that allow them to then continue to chisel away at these attributes right? You could have all those attributes and then decide to be a serial killer, or you can have all these attributes and decide to pick something else at life. But there seems to be some, in my opinion, that no matter how disciplined you are, there are some people that are built differently. And I will also say that every seal and tier one operator agrees with you.

Shane Kronstedt: 33:37

And how come that gene wears off at 35

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 33:41

but I think you're right to an extent. I suppose that's true. I think

Shane Kronstedt: 33:44

you're right to an extent. You know, I would say that everyone who makes it to SEAL training can become a seal. This

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 33:50

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Shane Kronstedt: 35:37

they all physically can do it, but mentally, some people don't, and probably that's true in a lot of aspects of life and business and things that people set themselves up for. And residency, you see people switch out as surgical specialties. You know, multiple times a year, you see lots of residents switch out from urology to radiology or to peds or to something else. I think that all these people can do it. It's a choice, and maybe it's not worth it to them. You know, I, you know, I had this moment. I was in boot camp, you know, I think I went through life at some point thinking, why doesn't everybody do this or this or this? And I think, you know, it's okay. Everyone is happy doing what they want to do in life, right? And that's great. And I, you know, I think everyone should do what makes them happy. Not everyone wants to be a surgeon or a seal or a doctor or, you know, the best at CrossFit. I think that's not for everybody. But I think that, you know, everyone who shows up, you know, I think they want to be there. They want to do it, but it's a choice, and I think that everyone can do it. Who are in those positions when difference maker is in the head,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 36:47

and when you go through challenging times, and this is more tactical for the listener. Is there something that you fall back on? For example, do you listen to something motivational? Do you have a strategy, and maybe you don't. I

Shane Kronstedt: 37:06

have strategies. Yeah, I do like David Goggins for motivational speaking, you know, gets me pumped up. He's great for that. But, you know, first time I jumped on an airplane, I didn't really wanna jump out of an airplane. I could see people walking around 1000 feet, doing a static line jump, and I think they instilled a few skills in us. I think that there's something called Box breathing, four by four breathing. I'm a big fan. You can use that in combat, in life and stress anxiety, basically, breathe in for four seconds, hold it for four seconds, and you breathe out for four seconds, and you do it four times. And you would be surprised how much you can regulate yourself with that. It helps. It helps in the short term, you can take a deep breath and you can brush it off. I think also the anxiety, the build up in your head of so many things, this build up of this op you're going to go on, this build up of this financial difficulty you're facing this build up of this social encounter you're going to have this build up of this thing you're anxious about. I think that actually the event, in and of itself, is way less significant and way less dramatic and way less of an issue than actually is in your head. And sometimes, if I have something really terrible that I think is going to happen. I just play it out on my head. I say, All right, well, okay, let's play it out. If this worst case scenario happened, how would it play out? And then if that happened to me, say, I don't know. I lost all my money, right? How would I respond to it? What would I do in response to that situation? And I would say, Well, I would do this, and because I'm going to do this and respond this way, actually, I think everything would be okay so it's not actually that bad. I think that I would be okay in that situation. And I think if you play it out, you would realize that it's not as bad as you are making it out to be. And when every time I've done something, I've built up in my head, it's never as bad as it is in your head.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 38:59

And that also segues into teammates. And when we think about building a strong family and building a strong foundation, you and I are teammates, I would love to share, maybe you can tell the story about how we met. I mean, we're going to talk about fitness and balance and and all of these things, but our journey together started in a way that proves, I don't know if it proves mindset is everything or mindset is the foundation, but maybe it proves that When you come together with a teammate, and you have inherent alignments as to what you think is important, then you can build something extraordinary.

Shane Kronstedt: 39:49

Yeah, I mean, I have some interesting encounters as a combat medic, you know, as a seal, you know, it's a unique job, because in some other units, you attach. People, and your only job is to be the Ranger medic, and you're fully in that role, or whatever your job is, right? The 18 Delta Green brand medic. But in the seals, it's slightly different in the fact that everyone's a seal. First, everyone goes to comm school, to Breacher school, become a medic, a sniper, what have you, right? And they have these additional skills. And so the job is to be a seal first. But you're completely self sufficient as a unit, and so you don't have to attach all these other people. And you know, the caliber of the person next to you is of the same COVID as you right, to an extent, you know, some guys are better than others, and you know, so it was interesting. I went to this combat medic course. It was about a year, did a lot of surgical training, went to the hospitals, did a lot, went to some courses. And you know, my first encounter in real life having to use those skills was on my last operation, Afghanistan, on the way home. You think everything's over. And of course, that's always when something happens, right? So we're on our way out, and you know, I hear over the radio that something happened. Someone got hurt. You heard an explosion. And so then me and my buddy, they say, Oh, well, there's mortars coming or whatever. No one really knew what was going on at the time. So me and my buddy get out, and we're rushing over this guy who supposedly got his legs blown off. And we get over there, the EOD guy clears to him, goes with an Afghan soldier, I guess they throw a couple tourniquets on. They bring him, and I meet him, and meet on this little hut. And you know, we're not really in the clear. It's still kind of dangerous at the time. We don't really know the tactical situation at the moment, so in our minds, you know, it's still kind of a hot, dangerous situation. So I see this guy, I mean, he's got a concussion. His arm is bent sideways. He's got two amputations, one above the knee. One's just tissue hanging everywhere. It's blood all over the place. He doesn't speak English. I don't know how to communicate to him, fragmentation all over his body.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 42:06

Fragmentation meaning,

Shane Kronstedt: 42:10

like metal pieces, you know, that penetrated into the skin, underneath the tissue. And yes, man, I was like, holy shit. This is crazy. And I just thought I said, Man, I don't even have time to mentally process this. I'll deal with this later. So I just go into autopilot, and I start, you know, trying to work on this guy. And I'm, you know, working on this guy. And I talked to my buddy, and he has to communicate over comms, and I have to communicate over comms, you know, at some point. And, you know, I remember when I was in training, and I it was in training, it was at the team or something. But I think there's always why I have this calm nature about myself. I think it was really this one moment that really defined me to have that ability, because I really don't get stressed out. There's bleeding in the operating room or whatever. Have you stress stressful situations, I would say

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 42:59

that's true. You are not you. I can always count on you. You're not gonna be stressed. I

Shane Kronstedt: 43:04

remember that he said, All right, well, you're in a team. You're the combat medic, right? Someone on your team gets shot or hurt. You have to be the calmest guy in the room. You have to take a deep breath. You have to go over the radio, regardless of how you feel inside, has to be really calm. Because the moment you start freaking out when someone on your team is shot or someone's hurt, everyone's gonna start freaking out. And so it's your job to regulate yourself and regulate everybody else and make things seem very calm when you are talking to everyone. And so you have to be calm in a stressful situation. And so, you know, I remember we were treating this guy and, you know, had to be in that situation. And it was interesting, you know, I was very lucky and fortunate that I had a lot of training leading up to that moment that prepared me for it. And luckily, this guy survived, and against all odds, and he did well. So, you know, I don't know where he is anymore, but he did well. And another crazy story was, you know, I was in Africa. Going to Africa really kind of changed my outlook on life. You know, I was, I was very fortunate to go, you know, I met some of the greatest, most hard working people I've ever met on the planet, the nicest people, the best culture. And, you know, I think I was at a point in life where probably a lot of people are now, you know, you see, a lot of people in the country are very conflict. Conflicted, very angry, very dissatisfied. There's a lot of back and forth every four years about politics. Who are at each other's necks all the time. About politics, about different things. It wasn't like that, you know, back in 2015 2013 but, you know, this is around 2015 but you know, you could, I got to a point where I was really kind of thinking, wow, just, you know, people suck. You know, everyone just kind of sucks, you know. And why were you thinking that everyone just cares about themselves? They're self absorbed. No one cares about each other. Just very disheartening to see all the time. And you know, I remember when I went to you guys. Uda and I was in different parts of Uganda, and I had the opportunity to participate in some aid work. Because, yeah, I really, you know, I was there to do my seal job, but I got to also help medically a lot of people, and do some aid work, kind of on the side, just because I wanted to, and I had supplies and equipment to do it. And met a PhD who was helping with some, you know, children who were, you know, orphaned from the AIDS epidemic. They lost a lot of their working force. You know, 3040, year old. You know, adults, males and females. It's a lot of orphan children, etc. And you would see, you know, they were, they really didn't have much. You know, probably the average income, I think, was around $1,200 a year, right? You could have a full, you know, fine, five star meal for $8 $12 to eat out. And you would see, you could clothe and provide electricity and full support for a child for $10 a month. And it's insane, right? And I remember I went to this, I used to get this orphanage once a week, and I'd go hang out with the kids. I'd spend time with them and play football, and I'd mentor them, and I hang out all these people. And there's this guy, he stood up this orphanage. And then I was in a hotel in Kampala in the capital, and I was in the lounge at whatever hotel I was at. And I met this one lady. She was telling me about what she was doing. She said, Well, I teach in China for 1/3 year. I teach in, I don't know where she's from, Australia, maybe the other third of the year. And I take all my own money, and I come here to Jinja, and I put up these kids, and I help pay for them, I support them. And it was in that moment that I realized I think I had it wrong. And not only did any of those wonderful people in Uganda, but I met all these other people who out there doing good things, and I said, Maybe I got it wrong, and I'm not seeing all the good in people, because they're out there doing it, because they're not at home in the US doing this, and that they're overseas, helping, making a difference. And I think that was in a moment that I realized I was wrong in that moment, and that was very refreshing and restorative for me. But there was another time, interestingly enough, it's just kind of a wild story. I was there, we were gonna go to support this sniper range up near this whole area with some stuff we were doing anyways. So I had to pack this box of medical equipment to go up there. It's an hour, hour and a half away from our camp. We live in the villages, and so luckily, you know, I like to be prepared for lots of situations, and I like to be kind of not prepared. So I showed up, brought what I felt like I needed, which is a lot, just in case, and then we get this phone call. Someone called my team leader, and they said they need me to go the Capitol. I said, Why do you need me to go the Capitol? They said, Oh, well, there's this American soldier, and they think he's really sick, and you're the senior, most American medical provider in the country. And I said me, it's like an e5 medic, who? Why? How am I the most senior American medical it's gotta be a joke. Like, no, you're it? I said, Oh, all right, guess call the driver. And so we go to drive another hour, hour and a half to get to this place. And you know, there's like, comms issues. We're using these cell phones with cell phone cards. If anyone remembers what that is, with your minutes prepaid, it's a thing. And so I go to meet this guy. He's got acute appendicitis. I start him on IV ertapenem early, which is a very broad spectrum strong antibiotic in vans. We use that in a lot of combat wounds, because they're dirty, very dangerous, and a lot of people survive their wounds of war and die from infections. And so we tend to go broad spectrum. So I had a lot of stuff already, and so I go to meet this guy. They do an ultrasound. It seems like he probably had ruptured already. I mean, there's, I don't know if his inflammation or the appendix was leaking, but there was fluid around the appendix, so we had to do something. So he turns out to be kind of sick. And the whole thing in Africa was you had to be able to hunker down for two or three days. So I had gone on this course at USC in LA to try to learn to further sustain myself and learn a little more longer term surgical care. Surgical nursing

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 49:09

is that just

Shane Kronstedt: 49:10

to keep someone alive until, yeah, so you can get out of there. Okay? And so interesting when you

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 49:16

still can't find your socks. Yeah. I mean, that's what I have you believe at least, or change our son's diaper. Yeah, so

Shane Kronstedt: 49:24

we, we pay cash, I don't know, 100 bucks cash. We rent ambulances. We're flying down with the ambulances on, you know, with their lights, putting IVs in this bumpy road. We get to this hospital that's not been totally sanctioned by the you know, whoever site surveys these hospitals, but those little you know, whatever, we might not have been supposed to do that. But it was referred by this British doctor, ex Pat, who said, I know this western trained provider. He does, you know, five appies a week. He's good to go. Go to him. So we, we go with the information. One on the ground. We go to this guy, and we get there, and there's a little bit of attention. I think there are still some racial issues happening. I don't know the full back story. Probably similar to South Africa in some ways, but he wouldn't last in the or so we're like, All right, well, you gotta let us know what your or looks like. This is safe for this guy to get surgery with you. You can just throw him off to some surgeon that we don't know in the middle of Uganda. And so he meets us in the middle, and

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 50:25

that was because he was under American care. Well,

Shane Kronstedt: 50:29

basically we determined that he was too sick to get medevac, and it was an eight hour flight to the American base. We were pretty far out there. Africa is huge. So take eight hours to get him there, and we felt like if he was ruptured or pending rupture, or sick enough to the point we couldn't fly him out, that we

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 50:46

would have a real big problem. But why not just let this guy do it? Well, that's

Shane Kronstedt: 50:50

what we did. So we kind of met in the middle. He showed us a video on our cell phone of his or like, okay, I guess this is fine. And then, you know, the PA eventually, who was supposed to be covering was in another country, because he was covering multiple countries, he kind of met me there. At some point. We met the hospital and him and his assistant, or whoever's working with him, you know, we went in together. It's interesting, because you had to go in with metal detectors through hospital. You got to have a lot of metal detectors at the time. There's a boss this al Qaeda associated terrorist organist organization, and there's a bombing up the street, the courthouse there was at the same time al Shabaab went to Kenya, right up the street, and murdered a whole university, a Christian university, because of, you know, different beliefs, which is obviously a radical thing to do, but that's what happened. And so there's a lot of violence, terrorism. At the time, it wasn't super safe, and so basically, I had to go in there unarmed, because there was metal detectors and everything. I couldn't have a gun. And so we, we paid for the surgery on our government credit cards, and he got the surgery, and he came out, you know, the PA went to go spin up the medevac and try to work on resources. You know, couldn't do a lot remote, right? We don't have, wasn't really like that, right? So he had to go drive a couple hours start working on things. I volunteered to stay behind. And so I stayed behind. I think I saw, you know, three guys walk in and to walk out, right kind of thing. And you guys

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 52:18

walk in and to walk out, yeah? And so I'm into

Shane Kronstedt: 52:22

into this hospital, right? So they know there's still one guy in there. And so then I'm dealing with this guy. He's post op, this appendectomy, and it's really sketchy, you know? And then I look on his person, he's got $30,000 cash, average size, like, 1200 bucks. I definitely get murdered for that money. It's like, holy shit, this guy's got 30,000 US dollars in his pockets. All right, so I took that, you know, it's like in a horror movie. I walked down the hall, I looked the lights flickering at night. I was on the other end of the planet, completely alone, unarmed, in this right up the street from where all these bombings and like different things happen. And you know, definitely, felt like I was hanging out there a little bit, and this guy starts crashing. He's like, turns gray. His Oh, two Sats are in the mid 80s. Like, holy shit. This is getting a fever. It's getting post op. Sepsis is a disaster. So, you know, it was definitely above my pay grade at the time. I did the best I could, he end up doing fine, you know, I just couldn't try to keep him going for a couple days. It was, like two days, you know, you couldn't get labs, couldn't, like, do anything, couldn't make anything happen, you know. So it's just really trying to do the best you can with what you had, basically what I had in my box, right? Because I couldn't get any the residents from the Uganda residents to come up. And did you feel stressed? I felt nervous, that's for sure, nervous for your life, or nervous? Yeah, just like, pin my box up against the door. Keep, you know, a couple white Americans in this area by ourselves, you know, unarmed with $30,000 cash. This guy's super sick. Was that

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 53:57

when you decided that you're gonna go to medical school? Because what people don't know is that you did your pre med, some of your courses while you were in Afghanistan and overseas, you were studying and teaching yourself physics and calculus at night. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Why you decided to become a doctor. I

Shane Kronstedt: 54:21

think, you know why I decided? I think I really enjoyed being in the hospital. I liked medicine. I got to get some, you know, month rotation, here and there and the, or different, you know, the ER, different places. And I knew something I wanted to do at some point. But, you know, it was Operation Red Wings. I was in Afghanistan. I said I just got accepted to Columbia for a pre med degree course, and I decided I'm not going to do that. I really like being CEO. I'm gonna reenlist. So I relisted. I put it on the back burner. I said I would like to do it, but I'll do it later. And we were going to the most dangerous part of Afghanistan, southeast. So. We live in the villages, you know, seven months at a time or so. And I had the most unusual, you know, first deployment cycle, I would say, I had kind of a couple of deployments built into this cycle. And I went to South America for a while, came to Afghanistan. I went to this headquarters and went somewhere else. And this guy in Europe was on this contingency response for us, where any seaborne operations in Europe, you know, like pirates, anything like that, or Israel were kind of the response team, right? So he was having a baby. So, like, all right, we're gonna send my paternity leave. You haven't quite made it to your village yet, so we're just gonna pull you. So I got pulled to Europe to cover that for end up being two months instead of one, like they promised me. And we did a couple of these exercises out with piracy in the med in North Sea. And then I got to go back, and I'm waiting, and I'm basically just by myself all over the world with a roller bag and a gun case. It was really, it was pretty cool, interesting, catching helicopters by myself, trying to get all over the place. And I get finally to where I'm about to push out to my village, you know, and it's been just such a process to get there.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 56:05

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Shane Kronstedt: 57:06

And I had to catch her at the infantry by myself. And the road got blown up by this 300 pound bomb that sent this up armored vehicle, probably flying hundreds of feet, I mean, and you can only go in this place called route one. It was only road in and trying to go to southeast Afghanistan in the summer. Really, I think it was the hottest area at the time, and so I had to sit there, and we to wait until, I don't know safe to go. So there was a surgical team on the base, and because I was a highly trained medic at the time, you know, I said, Hey, you know, I'd be interested in scrubbing in and helping out if you need me, or if I can, we have pictures of that. Yeah, it was only time I had a gun in the or

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 57:44

and this. And it was at this point I just want to kind of tie this all together, because I want to talk about relationships. And it was at that point that you decided you're going to be a doctor.

Shane Kronstedt: 57:56

Yeah. I mean, I had always kind of wanted to, but I think when I was in there. It was where people who would get shot or hurt in the war would come in to get stabilized and get surgery, or local populations, the Afghans, who got in car accidents or got hurt or injured, they would get helped and stabilized. So I got to go in the or for about two weeks straight, and go help out a lot. And it's very inspiring. I want to be a military surgeon, trauma surgeon, you know, I thought, what better can I do than help guys who are going out there who are getting wounded defending our country? I couldn't think of anything more I'd want to do just than that, you know. And you know, I'd see guys get hurt, like guys who are within the infantry and who are on our base, and, you know, it's very sad, it's disheartening to see. And I just, I felt like it's something I really wanted to do, and so I decided to probably pursue that. And I started kind of making moves towards that. And I do distance courses. I would self teach and test out when I got back. And then eventually, when I was a combat medic instructor, I'd go to night school. This was at Fort

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 58:56

Bragg, yeah, now we're moving into, you're now back home, and this is actually when we met. So you had come back home, and you were full on getting ready to go to apply to medical school, and you still had to do your night courses. You were at the schoolhouse. For those people, military. You all know what that is, non military Fort Bragg is, so there's Special Operations Command. Do you want to just explain, like, in two sentences, what Fort Bragg is, in terms of what it teaches, and it's the focal point for the army, right, for their Special Operations Command? Yeah. So just really, really quickly, I don't want to spend too much time

Shane Kronstedt: 59:41

on that. Yeah, sure. So it's where a lot of the Green Beret headquarters are. There's a US Army Special Operations Command is there. And there's a primarily Army Corps Special Operations combat medic, or 18 Delta long core short course. And that's where the training happens. So the seals attend it, the PJs used to it. Attend. It the civil affairs, flight medics, Rangers, basically, all the special operations Mexico that course. And that's changed a little bit. Seals have their own course, but I was basically working at Army Command. They're kind of one of the only seals in the building. And it was good, you know, I taught a lot. I got to have some good experiences. Woke

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:00:23

up at what time in the morning, and you do this for two, how long are you doing night school? Three years for night school or two? Yeah,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:00:29

it was tough. So I did all my prereqs. You know, one of the benefits of going there was, I could do all my prereqs in the building I was teaching in at night. So these condensed courses just as hard, but just last time you learn it. And so I would get up, you know, four or five in the morning, go teach lead guys in PT do what I have to do. I'd go teach on the elements and the cold and the heat, whatever. I'd be exhausted. And then at 6pm

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:00:51

and to share, without sharing too much, you were teaching how to respond to gunshot wounds, stab wounds, amputations, anything really serious that someone would see in a war zone. Yeah,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:01:06

all combat trauma, chest tube, surgical airways, suturing, IVs. And what time would you finish? I probably finished teaching the course out in the field around six, and then I have to go to school at six, from six to 10pm drive home about 30 minutes, stay up till one or two, studying and then go to sleep and do it again. And it was just a brutal cycle for three years. It was in those, one of those moments where, you know, I think people get stuck, right? So people, I mean, that's a tough situation, right to overcome, but I think, you know, that's how people get stuck. You know, you either have to do it and just suck it up, or you're just going to be in the same situation you are in every single day. And so it's either, sometimes progress takes a lot of sacrifice. Progress

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:01:49

always takes sacrifice. And one of the things that I turned to you, and I said, you know, when I was pregnant with our second child, I had already had our first child. And by the way, we were apart, you were still active duty, and I was pregnant and alone, living in a studio in New York City. That was the first child. The first child, yeah, and I was commuting from downtown to Uptown, pregnant on the subway while you were still poor choice, poor choice, active duty, and that was hard. I spent the majority of my pregnancy, I mean, all the pregnancy, most of it up until you transitioned out by myself, which I would say, was very challenging. But I don't know if we spent too much time thinking about that. And I think for all a military wife, there are certain things that you sign on for if you're going to be military wife, whether that individual, that individual is deployed or non deployed, especially if the skill set is unique, like yours was the demand or yours is the demand for your skills. And to give back and to teach was rigorous. You were getting three or four hours of sleep a night while you were prepping to get into med school, which, by the way, you had to have 4.0 I was pregnant and alone in New York City, and we had had our baby, and I was working on our my book at some point in time, and I had turned to you, so this, I guess when we were together now, because after you had gotten out, we were together, we moved to New York, but I turned to you and I said, Listen, I recognize that I have to do all these things. I have to say fit. I have to do what I'm saying if I'm going to talk about fitness and nutrition, I have no idea how to get it done. And while also, we had a toddler, not a toddler, a baby. And do you remember what you said to me? Yeah, yeah. And you will see him on to try not to remember. And I would say that you still say this to this day. If I really cared about it, I would just wake up a little bit earlier. It's true. And you will see Shane occasionally on the side of a milk carton or a missing person. But was really good advice. Oh, I'm missing for off, yeah, missing for Yeah, for that comment and many others and that, it kind of connects us now as a team. And for those people listening or watching this, what does it mean, and how does one create a very strong relationship where you do things in a way that you know I we weren't micromanaging each other. There were just ways where you had to execute on your behalf, and I had to execute on my behalf, because even now you're a surgical resident, which the duty hours are 80, he may or may not be doing I'm within duty hours, yeah, right, which are 80, which is not really the amount of hours, questionably that you're working. But of course, you would. Say that, and I wouldn't be noticing, but there's a lot of challenges with that. And I will say that I think that we have been able to position our relationship where it doesn't create a ton of strain. We are able to, no matter what, have a great dynamic while going after the things that are meaningful, while knowing that our family still at the root is the foundation of it all. And I will say very quickly, we were introduced by Commander, retired Commander Mark Devine, who I don't know exactly when this is going to come out, but he will be speaking at our event, the Forever strong event, and when he introduced us, he said, Hey, can you help this seal? He's really interested in going to medical school. And I thought to myself, sure, I guess, be happy to talk to him, anyone who's serving our country in that way. And by the way, I'd also been taking care of military operators, tier one operators at this time, so I knew that any intelligent woman would never date a tier one operator. Tell me where I'm wrong, especially a guy that grew up in the teams, because it's a cultural thing. And what do I mean by that? Let's just say they are a what is it a ladies man? Should they say? You know, I had some of the guys come in trouble

Shane Kronstedt: 1:06:25

without saying

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:06:27

anything continue. I just will continue on this road. But I thought you were amazing. And many of your brothers, whether you knew them or not, would come in and say, Hey, Doc, what do you think about this girl? And she's in Kansas, what about her no in California, and this one is in Hawaii, and they would just scroll through fake news. Never heard that. And so any woman who wanted a real relationship was not going to be dating a tier one operator, no offense, because there's many guys that are great, but just from a cultural perspective, cultural perspective, just from this is my opinion and I, we spent a lot of time talking through some of the medical things, and we really liked each other as people. And I wasn't thinking anything romantic. I had just come off the tail end of a relationship. I was certainly ready, not ready, to be involved with anyone as a lasting from you know, it is after you are in a long term relationship. You don't, not ready to date, and you need to at least give someone at least a year, even think about it. And you met me in person, and that was it. That was it, yep, I knew right away. You said you knew right away. A little bit longer. Took me months longer. What I think is interesting about it is you said that you knew right away. And you said that the same thing that kept you in a alive over seas during war times, there's a bit of an intuition about that, that you said that you'd had had the same feeling when you met me. I

Shane Kronstedt: 1:08:02

know you have these feelings that I don't know if it happens often in life, but something feels real, something feels powerful, strong, subconscious, and I think I felt that before. I remember when I was running one night in Africa. It's at this decision point in life, I could feel it. And then I remember I felt that again when we first met

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:08:22

and you decided that that was it. I was gonna I was the one. And as soon as you told me, there was a moment where you told me, after months of just being friends, that you thought that we should date, and what happened after that?

Shane Kronstedt: 1:08:39

Well, she loves to tell everyone. She stopped picking up my phone calls, true or false. I False? True, right? She said, Absolutely not. And also don't ever, I would never go out with you. And maybe that's why I, you know, maybe that's what did it for me,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:08:51

do you said there's a chance. So you're telling me there's a chance. And I said, listen, listen, Dumb and Dumber. Yeah, Dumb and Dumber. Tweedledum. Tweedledum, there's absolutely zero chances. And so for at least a month, maybe longer, I refuse to pick up your phone calls. It's two weeks. It was not two weeks, and definitely not two weeks, it was at least a month. And I remember talking to my friends about it, and they said, If you because I liked you as a human I really like I mean, who wouldn't like you? Pause, awkward. Pause. Here you were, this stud, super capable and total ladies man, not interested. But I really liked you, and I found you while you looked like a knuckle dragger, that's

Shane Kronstedt: 1:09:36

15 pounds more jacked for the record. You know, when you got into

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:09:39

running marathons, somehow you decided that in residency you were gonna run marathons. And I will say this is unique to I think your type of human is that when you decide something that is it, there's really not a lot of thought that goes into it. It's you are gonna do it. And you go all in and you convince yourself that this is the way. And I think. That's actually what happened with our relationship, meeting me, is you decided that that's it. I was going to be your woman. And,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:10:09

well, look, I think anyone who studied physics and has really kind of dived in, you know, dove into it. Time is not linear, right? And I feel that I felt like it always was, and it always has been. It was just kind of this feeling where I knew and so I really couldn't allow myself or the situation to be any other way. And I have those moments in life where I really feel something like it's already happened, because I think a lot of times it already has. And maybe not everyone agrees with that, but I think, I mean, hey, time's not linear. We look back, you know, 1015, years ago, it happened then. But you know, I think depends on how you want to frame it,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:10:52

and that's a really fascinating thought process. And finally, after talking to my friends, they said, Don't you ever pick up that phone call if you pick up that phone call? If you pick up that phone call, you are going to ruin your life. Yeah, Kenna said that. I know Jenna is one. He loves me. Is my That's right, everyone, it is true. Everyone has now come to love you. Genna is one of my best friends, and he is a four board certified physician at Madigan Army base, and I picked out the phone call just four. Yeah, four. Total under achievers. I scored number one in pain in his boards, but it was probably the best decision of my life, and it has been, honestly, people might be vomiting right now, vomiting, probably, for sure, they're vomiting. But also would say, you know, oh, great, that's amazing. You have a great relationship, but it has been largely knock on wood, easy. And why do I say it's easy? It's not that our lives are easy. Our lives are complicated. There's a lot of moving parts because we care about doing things well. We care about our kids. We don't outsource them. We don't do a lot of things that I think would make our lives easier. And we also have an understanding of what we believe and how we function as a unit, and to share some of those things that I think are really valuable when one is building a dynamic that, and I don't use the word balances, family, health and work. It's not true. It doesn't happen. There is no such thing. But we do have non negotiables, and they are both physiologic, non negotiables. And what do I mean by that biologic? I mean in terms of training and fitness and nutrition, and then I think that there are also dynamic relationship non negotiables, to start with the fitness non negotiables, I am very specific about the times I train. I know that I'm going to train no matter what, three days a week. I'm not going to miss those days. And Saturday is going to be a day that I also train. I train full body three days a week, and I add in one or two days of typically, yeah, one or two days of some kind of max effort at the end of those workouts, typically on a Friday or Saturday. And you oftentimes don't get the opportunity to work out, but when you do just, what does that look like?

Shane Kronstedt: 1:13:49

Yeah. So for starters, you know, I think it's important to sign up for events. That's probably why I initially signed up for a marathon. I was moving out of New York City, and I said, Oh, it'd be cool to see all the burrows, but I signed up for these things originally because, you know, it forces you to work out when you don't want to. Can't just not work out for a marathon. It's gonna be very painful. I've kind of tried that before. It didn't really work out very well. I finished. What

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:14:12

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Shane Kronstedt: 1:15:55

so yeah. So anyways, I think those things are great. You sign up for jujitsu competition, a marathon, whatever you want to do, right? It keeps you honest to an extent, it'll help push you to work out in the days you don't want to. But after that, you know, it's really kind of become something I enjoy a habit and part of my lifestyle now, and I find it very challenging a lot of the times to work out during the week, because I work a lot, and so I would love to work out when things are going well. I can get one to three workouts in a week, maybe 30 minutes, if I'm lucky,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:16:28

one to three workouts 30 minutes. How often? Yeah, it's happened

Shane Kronstedt: 1:16:33

zero days the past couple months, yeah, which sucks, because I'm doing Boston next month, but it's not a big deal, because I get most my volume on the weekends, and it's good, you know, Saturday, Sunday mornings, I take two or three hours to myself, which I need, you know, I'm inside all day. And so the last thing I want to do is go sit inside again at the gym. And so I do like to run and be outdoors and get my sunlight, be in nature, kind of a little meditation, take some stress off, and I'll run, you know, do some speed work Saturday, and some distance on Sunday. And because I do so much of my volume on the weekends, it's not a big deal that I don't get three to nine miles during the week. So I think that, you know, for people that are really busy, you can still do it. I think that you have to compensate for it on the weekend, but you can make it, you know, it's not ideal, but you have to kind of deal with the situation. And I think that that's what I do, is I try to really kind of just make it work for the lifestyle I have, and that's the best I can do. And so luckily, I've got your support, you know, all the time with that. So it's been and I

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:17:39

think it's important to support your spouse, because if you decompensate physically, then I'm yelling at you all the time. When you get sick, how sick Are you? Scale of one to 10? Is that cough real? Do you really have pneumonia? Stop faking it with a man flu, right?

Shane Kronstedt: 1:17:55

But you say it all the time. You know it's it's a lot harder to be sick later than to put in a few hours now. Or I see it on the internet, they say working out for yourself isn't selfish, because when you're old and sick and you can't take care of your family, then it's really gonna suck. And I think you talk about that all the time, and

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:18:16

so get it done regardless. It doesn't have to be perfect. And for those of you who are starting out, I don't necessarily just working out for long periods of time on the weekend, but if you have to, and you have to be in the situation, then you do

Shane Kronstedt: 1:18:29

that. But what are my options, right? You know, I know this other successful surgeon, and he's very busy, right? He's got doing trials. You know, he's operating busy clinic. He gets away at 3am to run an hour, two hours every day, whatever he, you know, however long he's running, because he's going to get it done. We talked about, you know, what else am I going to do? You know, am I going to get to the residency and the residency and be like that guy who's who's fat and out of shape? And it's embarrassing, right? I mean, if I'm in this job, I'm going to be in, am I just going to not work out for eight years, 10 years. I mean, what is the alternative? The alternative is, there's no alternative. It's either you're going to do it or you're just going to not. And I don't think not doing it is the is an option.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:19:11

It's and it's also sets a terrible example for our children. And the that's the other thing is, while I have more time than Shane does, I have my routine, Shane has his routine, and then we incorporate fitness with the kids. So the kids will come with me to the gym, not always in the morning. They kind of are in a slump with that. They'll work out some. They used to love it, but for whatever, I'm hoping they'll pick back up in the summer. We don't really make it a big deal because we want them to enjoy physical activity. But during we make it fine. Rock climb. We go rock go to the gym together. Let's talk about what we do as a unified family, rather than doing things indoors or on electronics. Right? My recommendation, and I would say our. Foundation is sign up for a rock climbing gym bouldering. The little kids can do it. Our son is four. He does it in a Batman outfit. He doesn't get very far. And there's lots of bouncy mats for them to fall and then we do with them. And my daughter does it. We love it. We I guess technically, that's indoors, but it's not indoors on an electronic being sedentary.

Shane Kronstedt: 1:20:24

Also the weather is wherever you live. There's a few months every year where you really can't be outside very much.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:20:28

But there are the point is, is, if there is a solution which there is always a solution, you have to find it, and you set the standard. Our kids are strong. Our kids are physically capable. They're not very well behaved, but they're strong, definitely not well behaved. So rock climbing gym, indoor, outdoor pool. We're still working on swimming jujitsu, and we do jujitsu three days a week. I train jiu jitsu one day a week with the kids. The kids do two other days for a total of three days of Jiu Jitsu. We don't over schedule them. We're very tight on routine, bedtime, low level lights, and we try to keep everything together. I will also say supplementation. Let's talk about our kids supplementation. I'm just gonna mention this lot of controversy around melatonin. I don't see why there is controversy. The data that I have seen, the data that I have looked at, I have no trouble giving an extremely low dose melatonin and keeping the overhead lights low to get my kids and keep them in a great rhythm, fish oil and multivitamin my son, our son, still likes to carry around a bottle with his mini toy gun, cowboy boots and tank top, and he rocks a mullet. Lots of lettuce. Yeah, we call lettuce to get lots of lettuce. And those are the ways that we structure things. And one of the things that you had said is that sign up for something that you cannot quit. Sign up for. For example, my husband runs things for charity. He can't not show up to the Boston Marathon. He is running it for charity. The other thing is, I do think that we should talk about some of our biggest challenges, your relationship as what children, children? I mean, are they? Yeah. I mean, it's definitely the biggest challenges

Shane Kronstedt: 1:22:25

in relationships. Yeah, we don't fight about anything else, dude, you

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:22:29

cannot. Are you kidding your side of the closets? And also food, nutrition, you're much more flexible on nutrition. I will never forget, Listen friends, when you come home, if your wife literally is a nutritionist who has trained professionally in Nutritional Sciences, and you come home with a box of Cheerios, nature's like, what did you come home with these like, five boxes of something that you picked up at the VA or something ramen, whatever it was, you better believe that that's all getting thrown out instantaneously, in the garbage or donated immediately. It's part of my running training. Yeah, running training is called in the garbage up the carbs. Yeah. Really trying to do nutrition. And I will tell you that there's definitely friction for us. When I said, Listen, you cannot eat that in front of the

Shane Kronstedt: 1:23:22

kids. Or when the kids run 20 miles on Sunday, you can eat it too.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:23:26

Okay, well, so we will clearly disagree on this, but really being a good example when it comes to not eating a bunch of junk food in front of them, and if you're gonna do it, don't do it in front of your wife, either. I think that the other thing, our biggest truck. You do have a truck, and by the way, your truck is messy. There may or may not be snacks in the back. Yeah, I know I saw them. Don't worry about that. But I also think that our biggest challenge is to turn off of work and not have our phones or computers or anything. And we

Shane Kronstedt: 1:24:01

have that challenge anymore, but we have had that challenge. Yeah, we had to learn to disrupt and

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:24:06

because right now, everything is on 24/7 and there's always work to be done. But I would say, if you can spend a quality time, and maybe that quality time is an hour of fully focused effort with the kids, then you're winning. What else with the kids? I think are hacks or tips or tricks that we do to keep them on the up and up? Well,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:24:34

they don't get to watch movies during the week. It's weekends only. So pretty disciplined about the electronics, because they act terrible when they use them. We definitely have a routine with exercise, with the kids on the weekends. We what else we do the workouts with them. So that's good.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:24:57

Yeah, I think that those are the. Things that are really important, working on manners and respect. And also we pray before meals. We also pray before meals. Yeah, every meal and negotiable, and that is, why do we do that? Because it's important to be grateful. It's important to take a pause and a moment to recognize that we're all just very lucky humans, and to instill that kind of gratitude is really

Shane Kronstedt: 1:25:29

important. How do you force them to sit down for dinner? Don't really listen, but that's right. Yeah, absolutely. Do create time around that with the family, and even at the hotels, you know, we sit down at the table same routine, yeah,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:25:42

and interpersonally, you and I. My job is interesting. I travel a lot, you know, I interview, I interface with a lot of people. And you also do the same, maybe not travel as much, but you're always, I'm not necessarily part of your world, exactly in the hospital in the OR, although I do collaborate with your colleagues at Baylor,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:26:12

she wasn't putting money. Why are you doing these papers without me in my department? It's my residency program

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:26:20

that was pretty in. What are you doing? Understand that

Shane Kronstedt: 1:26:24

solo operations with my attendings get out of here.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:26:29

That is pretty funny, because we are both physicians. I don't know if you want to say anything more about that, but we is just it is funny. I am friends with your attendings, which is awkward. Is awkward, but amazing, because we're doing research and hormones. And geology is pretty cool. Sexual Medicine, a

Shane Kronstedt: 1:26:51

lot of cool research together. We do both have some common interests. We go to this research meeting once a month about men's health, sexual health, hormones, lot about testosterone Andrology, infertility, and it's great. We definitely both. You know, I have other interests in urology as well, but that's definitely one of the interests we share. And so it's good we can kind of have that together,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:27:15

and we'll link and we'll, you know, he did publish a paper on, well, we published a paper on exposures, environmental exposures, in bladder cancer, in military, which I think is more of the things that you're interested in in cancer, but Well,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:27:33

segue, I mean, that was actually a very important topic, because some of the research I'm Doing now are in burn pits and burn pit exposures in cancer, like the pact Act, which was this Act that was passed to give benefits and service connection and treatment, which is ultimately important for that for patients who had burn pit exposures, who register for the burn pit registry and get treatment, service connection. So they had all these cancer exposures, everything in urology, too, except for bladder. So we started publishing about these exposures in prostate cancer risk, which were thought to be a thing, and then we confirmed it with our meta analysis. So that was new. And then we did a paper on bladder cancer exposures with Agent Orange, depleted uranium, water and clamp Lejeune et cetera. And we're now recently working on this burn pit project. And what I wanted to tell people was, what was interesting was bladder cancer Advocacy Network B can network is an advocacy group that actually advocates for patients. And moving the research forward, there was opportunity for me to help out with this research, because she knew we just did this paper on exposures, and so she was involved with B can, and they had, they were working on getting it covered for the pact act and and so we kind of shared the research. A lot of people were involved with this. Not, you know, I was just a small part of helping out, but I just thought it was exciting, because we got to help share some of that research and some other research, and was able to partner with some of the people I knew in the military and some of the nonprofits and people were able to piece together a lot of documents from the bases. It's not published yet, but we have the paper already, and so we presented at their conference, and we gave them all our data. They had a lot of their own data before this too. And between, I think, the time frame of August and January 1, they had gone to Congress with everything. And actually it got approved in January to be a covered illness and service connection for patients so well, if you didn't know this now you can, if you have urothelial or bladder or upper track cancer and burn pit exposure, you can actually get covered in service connection. That's probably one of the fastest times I've ever seen something where research went from the bench to bedside. Wasn't much bench, but went to the bedside, you know, pretty quick, in like six months. Oh. See change that is so that was huge. And you know, that's something beacon network does all the time, so shout out to them. Okay, well,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:30:08

that is really extraordinary. Just kind of sidebar from, yeah, are we keeping that in? No, just kidding, we definitely, will definitely keep that in. But let's circle back, because I wanted to spend a little bit of the remainder of the show about our relationship and how you build a strong dynamic as a forward facing unit, we're done with bladder cancer. Yeah, we're way down with I was like, is he gonna stop talking about this? Or what do I kick him under the table? But I can't really reach him. One of the things that really determines the trajectory of an individual as their partner, because it is the most important decision that one makes. They're either going to make or break you. If you care about your relationship, they're either going to be your teammate and help move your life forward, or they are going to completely, utterly dismantle you at the seams. Fair to say, let's talk about a few things. He's like, where are we going with this? Is she going to bring up the socks again? Number one, how we have relationships externally? So this is unsolicited relationship advice, to have a bulletproof marriage, and that is, you are introduced and involved in all of my friends. I don't have sidebar friends, male friends that you do not know of, that you are not either introduced to text introduced. We really keep it together, and you become friends with them, because, if I'm friends with them, I don't know, assuming they're amazing, because I have amazing friends, and you also become friends with them. And this might be a little controversial, but my phone is totally unlocked and you have access to it at any point in time. In fact, I will hand you the phone and say, Can you read me what this person said? There is no hiding for messages or any of those things. And also, if you're one of my best friends and you're a female and you're listening to this and you say, Don't Tell Shane if it's a female thing, I definitely won't tell you all the photos, unless I get approval. I won't share those things, right? Because there is, you know, someone tells me something in confidence, I don't look well, but, no, no. But in terms of how we create a dynamic, there's no question. There's no friction there. Of questioning is it, is this person doing something unscrupulous or outside of the realm of what should be done? So I think that that's important. The other is there anything else that I think is really important, or that you think is important, that we do? Well, oh, how we fight when we used to fight, I would say that probably one of my least desirable traits is a bit aggressive. And I don't know if extreme is

Shane Kronstedt: 1:33:20

the word, maybe under selling it.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:33:25

And when I used to fight, I would threaten you a lot early on in our relationship, and that made you feel really uncomfortable about the stability of the marriage. And I'm going to share because it can't say I was very, very nice in the beginning of our relationships, in relationship, when we fought, but I now no longer, because you taught me. I don't there's no threatening. We're stuck together. So we either can figure this out, or I'm just gonna be yelling for a really long time, five foot one, crazy person, one and a fourth and five foot, one and a fourth. Okay, sorry. And I think that that's really valuable, right? If you have made a commitment to stay together, you guys are together, and you are the team and you are the unit. Do you have anything that you'd like to add to

Shane Kronstedt: 1:34:16

that? No, you said it all. It's perfect.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:34:20

So I want to do a lightning round. This is rapid fire, okay? And there's no overthinking. This is so let's do a rapid fire Speed Round, which I guess a rapid fire and speed round would be the same thing, and there's no overthinking it. It's just gut react. Thank you for the lesson in synonyms. Okay, you are so welcome. Okay, let's do it. Number one, are you nervous? Are your armpit sweating?

Shane Kronstedt: 1:34:51

No, and if they were, I'm not allowed to wear deodorant because of paraffins. Oh,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:34:56

my God, let's come back to that, because that is very fun, because all the search. And say, I stink. Okay, so before we end the rapid fire, real talk here. I'm not a fan of traditional deodorants. I am not a fan of traditional makeup, hair

Shane Kronstedt: 1:35:10

care, side bar and deodorant and hair care right now. Yeah, actually, yeah, dude, and those Navy SEALs are bust

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:35:18

anyway. So I replay, I threw out all his old spice and Gillette and I didn't

Shane Kronstedt: 1:35:24

spice. It's what Frankincense essential oils. I did, yeah,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:35:28

yeah, it's true, and it doesn't it didn't work for him, or he didn't work for me. Body comes you decide to stop wearing it, and finally, at your job, what happened?

Shane Kronstedt: 1:35:39

Yeah, cuz she keeps promising me this illustrious deodorant that never actually we that doesn't exist. No, we have about you. Yes, it doesn't have it's not here. I use clean your product. Yeah, yeah. They said, I stink. I smell. They said, What is that you do? Just let you know I got a whiff.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:35:57

What's happening here anyway? So his department now has to wear deodorant. Yeah,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:36:02

it's been physically, you know, it's been directly told to me, okay, okay, all right.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:36:05

Number one, what do you say to yourself when you're feeling negative or down,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:36:11

Don't be a pussy, yeah? And that's number one, that's

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:36:15

right. And if you break rule number and then Rule number two, refer back to rule Exactly. And this is our family motto. So I he said it, and when you see me say, Never break rule number one. This is rule number one. Number two. Best mental toughness hack.

Shane Kronstedt: 1:36:33

Best mental toughness hack of 30 seconds. I like four by four box breathing,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:36:40

Okay, moving on. I don't know. Okay, great. Everything I said, refer back to number one. Refer back to this podcast, one workout or physical thing, because obviously you can't work out every day. Everyone should do daily.

Shane Kronstedt: 1:36:53

I think you should start the day, if you can, with a nice, easy, 30 minute cardio, something like that, just to get the blood flowing, juices going kind of get your heart beat up. I think if you can do that, it's great. Well, this is doing it to start my day. I think you start your day with the workouts. Great. This

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:37:07

is not my section, but I would say you should do push ups every day. I do push ups every day, multiple times a day. There's no

Shane Kronstedt: 1:37:12

reason you can't do push ups because it takes less. That was my answer, not yours. I used to do it when I put my scrubs on every time I change. Is a good time to pull ups every

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:37:20

time before moving on number four. It's called Rapid Fire. Not long answer fire. And

Shane Kronstedt: 1:37:24

a lot more rapid fire than you. Let me tell you, this is true.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:37:28

I could never be deployed. Can you imagine me, honey? Where's my gun? I this. There's, this is gluten free,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:37:35

green bean coffee. This is not Starbucks.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:37:37

Okay. Last book you read or paper, we'll say book, and then you can say that you didn't read a book. And here's your paper, Campbell's handbook and Urology. Okay, moving on. Last podcast you listen to Dr

Shane Kronstedt: 1:37:50

Gabriel lion show. Abe morgen teller, phenomenal, by the way, phenomenal. I couldn't, I couldn't put it down. You guys,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:37:58

oh, man, you gotta, you have to listen. To it's so good. Morgan taller's podcast. This is the guy who does messing around, but I'm serious. I mean, again, I am nothing special. The guests that come on this podcast are extraordinary. And Abe Morgenthaler, if you guys did not listen, the best podcast episode I've ever heard brought testosterone replacement therapy to the modern era. Whoa,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:38:21

how about prostate cancer? Testosterone? Controversy,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:38:24

not in the rapid fire round Oh, you couldn't keep going no. Number six, I really pushed back on adding this one. Yes or No, seed oils, yes or no.

Shane Kronstedt: 1:38:35

I don't know exactly. Don't care exactly. I don't know. Yeah,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:38:38

are they bad? I eat a lot of things I'm not supposed to Okay, there we bet we talked about, listen, they wanted to put this in Healy and Julia said we're doing this. Okay,

Shane Kronstedt: 1:38:48

see those in

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:38:51

nicotine, yes or no, yes.

Shane Kronstedt: 1:38:54

Oh, it does make your gums or seed, which is a no, but yes. Cholesterol,

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:38:57

LDL, friend or foe.

Shane Kronstedt: 1:39:02

Eight, HDL, is my friend.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:39:05

Essentially don't ask a surgeon a cholesterol question number eight, me overrated or essential?

Shane Kronstedt: 1:39:11

Definitely essential. I gotta meet in every, every, every meal or I don't feel good to me, you do.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon: 1:39:20

Dr Shane Kronstadt, oh, gosh, thank you for coming on a podcast. I just I love you so much, and I feel just so honored to be your wife, and everything that I do I could not do without you. Same. Love you. Thank you so much for listening to this very special episode. If this video helped you, drop a comment with your biggest takeaway. And if you want to see more on mindset fitness or life balance, let us know in the comments. Till next time, stay strong. You.